Here are some photos of wrecked Panzer IVs, potential diorama subjects. All of these were cited as being victims of the fighting at El Guettar, but it soon became clear that was not accurate.
Panzer IV Wrecks
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Here are some photos of wrecked Panzer IVs, potential diorama subjects. All of these were cited as being victims of the fighting at El Guettar, but it soon became clear that was not accurate.
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Some good pictures, Jeff! 🙂 That first tank is interesting – it appears to have the single piece commander’s hatch cover (usual on an Ausf H) but also appears to have applique armour on the driver’s plate (I’ve never seen that on an Ausf H before). Wonder if it’s a rebuild of an older vehicle?
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There is a lot of confusion about that series of photos, I found two different locations, two photographers, and three dates. The identification I cited is from Kagero TopColors 32 (which also has decals if anyone wants to model that tank). The decals contain the number “85384” which they show to the right of the hull MG. Does that help ID the variant?
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I was more curious than anything else! The “85384” sounds like it might be the chassis or vehicle manufacturing number which would probably identify the original sub-type.
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Seeing these photos gives me chills when i think of the fates of those tank crews.
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I like to think the tank was disabled and the crews got out, although that’s not always the case.
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In quite a few cases, the destroyed tanks, as we see them in photos, have achieved a good deal of their state by being blown with charges by engineers in order to render them useless for further use in case they were recaptured, etc. Oftentimes, a tank gets knocked out, but it’s not blown apart like many we see.
Certainly not always, but sometimes.
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So true! Also surprising how many vehicles were captured intact after some minor mechanical failure or fuel exhaustion.
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Tank Encyclopaedia has a photo of the tank with the number 85384 on its driver plate (https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/panzer_iv_ausf_h). Another site I found also listed chassis numbers and the same number is one that was allocated to Ausf H production. Of the photos I’ve looked at, so far this is the only one I’ve seen with bolted armour on the driver’s plate. So it’s maybe not a “standard” vehicle but also maybe not particularly remarkable!
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I will admit I find the detail differences in German tank production hard to follow, I’ll take your word for it!
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Oh! Be still my6 beating heart! My favorite German tank and one of my favorite theaters. 🙂
I just recently bought a series of books on German armor in Italy and Sicily, great stuff.
Thanks for these Jeff.
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Some of these photos would make good diorama subjects!
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Very much so!
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In the seventh picture the caption says there is no number below the 8, but I’m sure I can see the number 12 there.
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I see what you’re seeing. I looked at several versions of the photo, if you zoom out on some it looks like there is the top of a “2”, if you zoom in it looks like variation of the camo. Definitely not as distinct as the other two.
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great stuff Jeff ,cheers mate.
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